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<p class="MsoNormal">Is ztrans_symdig the actual table or is it the registration in the star DB?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway datatype 36 is something called a “long varchar locator”. I think it’s supposed to be an internal datatype, not one you can define as a table column type. That would be why iitypename is not naming it for you.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A quick look at iitypename’s implementation and yes, it returns an empty string if the datatype is one that’s “not allowed in database”. So I think the fact you’ve got it in table is a bug.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Definitely raise an issue. Would be helpful if you can reproduce it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org <info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Bowes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 June 2021 15:27<br>
<b>To:</b> info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info-ingres] The column with no datatype<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Well 600 lines of ESQLC later … nope still can’t make a test case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Here is an outline of the situation. We have three databases: an External one, an Internal one and a distributed database that links them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In the Internal and external databases we have a table which has 288 columns, mainly integer2, integer4, a few Booleans and ingresdates, but with one long varchar as column 18 of the 288.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We have a process that transfers recent data in the external version of this table, via the ddb into the internal version of the table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So in External:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Drop table if exists ztrans;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Create table ztrans as select from table where it’s recent with no journaling;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then in Internal:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Drop table if exists ztrans;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Create table ztrans as select * from table where 1 = 0 with nojournaling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then in DDB:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Remove existing ztrans registrations;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Register external ztrans;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Register internal ztrans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Insert into internal_ztrans as select * from external_zrans where sanity condition;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then in Internal:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Modify ztrans to structure;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Insert into table select * from ztrans where not exists (..we already have this data …)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Simple enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But either the External or Internal ztrans table will not have a datatype listed in iicolumns for what should be the long varchar column.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">select varchar(r.relid, 13), attid, varchar(attname, 13),</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">a.attfrmt, a.attfrml,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">varchar(uppercase(iitypename(ii_ext_type(a.attfrmt, a.attfrml))), 12) as datatype<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">from iiattribute a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> join iirelation r on a.attrelid = r.reltid and a.attrelidx = r.reltidx<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">where a.attname = 'responses'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">┌─────────────┬──────┬─────────────┬───────┬─────────────┬────────────┐<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">│col1 │attid │col3 │attfrmt│attfrml │datatype │<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">├─────────────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼─────────────┼────────────┤<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">│symdig │ 18│responses │ 22│ 32│LONG VARCHAR│<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">│ztrans_symdig│ 18│responses │
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">36│ 16│</span> │<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">└─────────────┴──────┴─────────────┴───────┴─────────────┴────────────┘<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">(2 rows)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’ve run a verifydb -odbms_catalogs on the internal database and it runs without any report of a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The internal and external tables both have correct linkage to iietabs holding the long varchar data and this is selectable without any error.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Anyone got any ideas?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Marty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Martin Bowes
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<b>Sent:</b> 18 June 2021 13:25<br>
<b>To:</b> 'paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au' <<a href="mailto:paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au">paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au</a>>;
<a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Info-ingres] The column with no datatype<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Worse than Colonel Mustard with the machete, something has just managed to rebuild the table without a problem. I’m not sure yet if this is some automated task, but judging by the errlog it looks like it’s been
throwing wobblies since May. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Marty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Paul White <<a href="mailto:paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au">paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 18 June 2021 13:08<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info-ingres] The column with no datatype<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>This is a bit like Colonel Mustard in the Drawing room with the ice pick<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Need some clues Marty. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>help table? create time? what is in errlog.log, iidbms...log around the time?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Is the database and table journaled? Maybe run auditdb -aborted_transactions near the create time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What is the state of the the extended table?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">select r1.relid as base_table, c.attname as column_name, r2.relid as extend_table<br>
from iirelation r1,iirelation r2,iiattribute c,iiextended_relation e<br>
where r1.reltid=e.etab_base and r2.reltid=e.etab_extension<br>
and r1.reltid=c.attrelid<br>
and c.attid=e.etab_attid<br>
and r1.reltidx=0<br>
and c.attrelidx=0</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">where column_name = 'responses'</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">order by base_table,column_name</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">help table (r2.relid from above)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">select * from iirelation where table_name = (r2.relid from above)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>On 18/06/2021 9:18 pm, Martin Bowes wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Knowing the perverted nature of the user in question I wondered if he had created the table from a distributed database via a statement like:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">direct execute immediate ‘create table ztrans_symdig as select * from symdig’</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">with node = ‘…’, database =’…’</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So I set up a test case and … nope, worked perfectly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The user’s log file had better be phenomenally good.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Marty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:JA">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> Martin Bowes
<a href="mailto:martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk"><martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 June 2021 11:25<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Info-ingres] The column with no datatype</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So one day I did…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">copydb -c -uoqs oqs_result_live ztrans_symdig</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">INGRES COPYDB Copyright 2016 Actian Corporation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">Unload directory is '/user/ingres'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">Reload directory is '/user/ingres'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">There are 0 sequences owned by user 'oqs'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">There is one table owned by user 'oqs'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">E_AD2003 ADF routine was passed an unknown datatype name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">‘WTF!’ I thought to myself and after some investigation….<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">select column_sequence, column_datatype</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">from iicolumns</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">where table_name='ztrans_symdig' and column_name = 'responses';</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">┌───────────────┬────────────────────────────────┐</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">│column_sequence│column_datatype │</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">├───────────────┼────────────────────────────────┤</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">│ 18│ │</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">└───────────────┴────────────────────────────────┘</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">(1 row)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How is that possible?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now iicolumns is a view and so I went back to the iirelation and iiattribute tables:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">select varchar(r.relid, 13), attid, varchar(attname, 13),</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">a.attfrmt, a.attfrml,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">varchar(uppercase(iitypename(ii_ext_type(a.attfrmt, a.attfrml))), 12) as datatype</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">from iiattribute a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif""> join iirelation r on a.attrelid = r.reltid and a.attrelidx = r.reltidx</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">where a.attname = 'responses'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">┌─────────────┬──────┬─────────────┬───────┬─────────────┬────────────┐</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">│col1 │attid │col3 │attfrmt│attfrml │datatype │</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">├─────────────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼─────────────┼────────────┤</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">│symdig │ 18│responses │ 22│ 32│LONG VARCHAR│</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">│ztrans_symdig│ 18│responses │ 36│ 16│ │</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">└─────────────┴──────┴─────────────┴───────┴─────────────┴────────────┘</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console \,serif"">(2 rows)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m trying to track down how the user has created this table and if they have a log of the activity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think the user is doing a create table ztrans_symdig as select * from symdig where 1 = 0;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, when I try this the responses column correctly becomes a long varchar without any problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marty<o:p></o:p></p>
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