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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Adrian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That coercion of an empty string into a zero seems a plausible explanation for the behaviour. So the question becomes is the behaviour
what you would expect? I’m going to have a hard time selling it to the boss as such!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The multiple row insert syntax has been around for some time, I’m surprised that OpenRoad is having trouble with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Marty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Adrian Williamson <adrian.williamson@rationalcommerce.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 29 July 2020 08:40<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Bowes <martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk>; 'Ingres lists' <info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Info-ingres] why is an empty string an integer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My guess is blank string is being translated to zero:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">* select integer('');\g<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Executing . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">+-------------+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">|col1 |<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ingres 10.1 did not want to play with these new predicates, and my Ingres 11 did as yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">OpenROAD gave up here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">insert into fred values (null), (''), ('1'), ('13-jan-2020');<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> ^<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">%% Error at line 11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">E_W400F0 Syntax error. The last symbol read was ','.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Go figure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That’s why I don’t look at new SQL features – no point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Martin Bowes <<a href="mailto:martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk">martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 29 July 2020 08:25<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:aw@rationalcommerce.com">aw@rationalcommerce.com</a>; Ingres lists <<a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Info-ingres] why is an empty string an integer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Adrian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes zero works fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The syntax is referred to as ‘predicates’ and there are a whole host of them to do basic tests. I have found them extremely useful
in doing data imports from less than reliable third parties.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Marty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:aw@rationalcommerce.com">aw@rationalcommerce.com</a> <<a href="mailto:aw@rationalcommerce.com">aw@rationalcommerce.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 29 July 2020 08:18<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Bowes <<a href="mailto:martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk">martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk</a>>; Ingres lists <<a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info-ingres] why is an empty string an integer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Morning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">If you use zero instead of 1 do you get the same?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I must admit i have not seen that 'when a is integer/float' syntax before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">But then i use openroad so our syntax is about 20 years behind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Martin Bowes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Date: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:01<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">[Info-ingres] why is an empty string an integer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I may have come across this before, but it’s early and I haven’t had my coffee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">declare global temporary table fred(</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> a varchar(20)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">) on commit preserve rows with norecovery;</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">Executing . . .</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">continue</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">* * insert into fred values (null), (''), ('1'), ('13-jan-2020');</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">Executing . . .</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">(4 rows)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">continue</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">* * * * * * * * select case when a is null then 'null'</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> when a = '' then 'empty string'</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> else a end as data,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> case when a is integer then 'integer' else 'not integer' end as is_integer,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> case when a is float then 'float' else 'not float' end as is_float,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif"> case when a is ansidate then 'ansidate' else 'not ansidate' end as is_ansidate</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">from fred;</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">Executing . . .</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">│data │is_integer │is_float │is_ansidate │</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">│null │not integer│not float│not ansidate│</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">│empty string │<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">integer │float</span> │not ansidate│</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">│1 │integer │float │not ansidate│</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">│13-jan-2020 │not integer│not float│ansidate │</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">(4 rows)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console",serif">continue</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Now the tests with nulls behave as I expect. But the empty string cases I did not expect. Is this a bug? Documented behaviour?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Martin Bowes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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