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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Actian is actively going after new business for all of its product portfolio including Ingres. Romy’s team have had some recent successes gaining new Ingres business<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">so the picture you paint is rather misleading.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The HCL announcement will create a lot more new business opportunities for all of the Actian portfolio. New business will drive demand for DBAs and demand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">will attract people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It may be harder to find an Ingres DBA than an Oracle DBA but you’ll be paying for it in a number of ways if you go the Oracle root. If you want to make it easier to find<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">an Ingres DBA you need to promote the benefits of Ingres, Actian X and/or Vector. We have plenty of large scale deployments, x100 is the fastest analytics engine on the planet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">and it’s far easier to generate an OpenROAD application than it is to build the equivalent using Java.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org <info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Williamson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2018 14:09<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Martin Bowes' <martin.bowes@ndph.ox.ac.uk>; info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info-ingres] So we advertised for a new DBA...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We can offer you a DBA service for less money than that, and we are interested in genetics…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry couldn’t resist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I suspect most Ingres DBA are comfortable where they are and seeing as Actian doesn’t seem to be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling the product into any green field developments
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling to big software houses to use the product for their customers or their products<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Giving it away free to Educational Institutions *<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I conclude that Ingres DBAs are not being made any more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I was asked recently would I advocate using OpenROAD/Ingres in a large scale online development i.e. requiring lots of resource – and I had to say no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The market is awash with Java / C# / SQL Server / Oracle monkeys, which makes them easy to find and cheap to hire. (if you have the kind of development process control that can sort out the wheat
from the chaff before you blow your budget on substandard nine-to-fivers)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It needs an aggressive marking campaign coupled with a product strategy designed to generate long term licence growth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">* I started on Window4GL and Ingres because Paisley University as it was known had it on a Beta release. It was lab technician who pointed it out too – not part of the syllabus – I got the course
rules relaxed to allow its inclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org">
info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</a> <<a href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Bowes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2018 13:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Info-ingres] So we advertised for a new DBA...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m curious.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We (aka Oxford University) advertised for a new DBA. The position was offered with a salary of up to £47,722pa, full time, 3 years fixed in the first instance. The advert did mention we are mainly Ingres on Linux but with other engines
(Postgres, SQL Server) and platforms.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not one person with Ingres DBA experience applied.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Why? Seriously, I was disappointed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any thoughts they’d like to share on that?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Martin Bowes<o:p></o:p></p>
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