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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Absolutely bang-on.<br>
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      I wonder how many people on this list is new to ingres and how
      many have used it for donkey's years and so has the company they
      work for?<br>
      <br>
      I suspect very few ingres users are new to the technology in
      comparison to the old-hands.<br>
      <br>
      If a DBA is coming to Oxford University, where could they come
      from? only another company that already uses Ingres and they
      probably like to hang on to their ingres DBAs because they
      probably are the only one in the company that understands it.<br>
      <br>
      Is ingres an oak-tree technology now, or is there a place where
      the green-shoots are?<br>
      <br>
      I worked at Oxford University many years back on the
      computerisation of the SOED. It was an interesting experience.<br>
      <br>
      On 25/04/2018 14:08, Adrian Williamson wrote:<br>
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      <div class="WordSection1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Actian
          doesn’t seem to be:<o:p></o:p></span>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling the product
              into any green field developments <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling to big software
              houses to  use the product for their customers or their
              products<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Giving it away free to
              Educational Institutions *<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            conclude that Ingres DBAs are not being made any more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            was asked recently would I advocate using OpenROAD/Ingres in
            a large scale online development i.e. requiring lots of
            resource – and I had to say no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            market is awash with Java / C# / SQL Server / Oracle
            monkeys, which makes them easy to find and cheap to hire.
            (if you have the kind of development process control that
            can sort out the wheat from the chaff before you blow your
            budget on substandard nine-to-fivers)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
            needs an aggressive marking campaign coupled with a product
            strategy designed to generate long term licence growth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">*
            I started on Window4GL and Ingres because Paisley University
            as it was known had it on a Beta release. It was lab
            technician who pointed it out too – not part of the syllabus
            – I got the course rules relaxed to allow its inclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</a>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org">&lt;info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org&gt;</a> <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Martin Bowes<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2018 13:19<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Info-ingres] So we advertised for a new
                DBA...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m curious.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">We (aka Oxford University) advertised for a
          new DBA. The position was offered with a salary of up to
          £47,722pa, full time, 3 years fixed in the first instance. The
          advert did mention we are mainly Ingres on Linux but with
          other engines (Postgres, SQL Server) and platforms.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Not one person with Ingres DBA experience
          applied.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Why? Seriously, I was disappointed.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any thoughts they’d like
          to share on that?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Martin Bowes<o:p></o:p></p>
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