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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Absolutely bang-on.<br>
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I wonder how many people on this list is new to ingres and how
many have used it for donkey's years and so has the company they
work for?<br>
<br>
I suspect very few ingres users are new to the technology in
comparison to the old-hands.<br>
<br>
If a DBA is coming to Oxford University, where could they come
from? only another company that already uses Ingres and they
probably like to hang on to their ingres DBAs because they
probably are the only one in the company that understands it.<br>
<br>
Is ingres an oak-tree technology now, or is there a place where
the green-shoots are?<br>
<br>
I worked at Oxford University many years back on the
computerisation of the SOED. It was an interesting experience.<br>
<br>
On 25/04/2018 14:08, Adrian Williamson wrote:<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Actian
doesn’t seem to be:<o:p></o:p></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling the product
into any green field developments <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling to big software
houses to use the product for their customers or their
products<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Giving it away free to
Educational Institutions *<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
conclude that Ingres DBAs are not being made any more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
was asked recently would I advocate using OpenROAD/Ingres in
a large scale online development i.e. requiring lots of
resource – and I had to say no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
market is awash with Java / C# / SQL Server / Oracle
monkeys, which makes them easy to find and cheap to hire.
(if you have the kind of development process control that
can sort out the wheat from the chaff before you blow your
budget on substandard nine-to-fivers)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
needs an aggressive marking campaign coupled with a product
strategy designed to generate long term licence growth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">*
I started on Window4GL and Ingres because Paisley University
as it was known had it on a Beta release. It was lab
technician who pointed it out too – not part of the syllabus
– I got the course rules relaxed to allow its inclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org"><info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Martin Bowes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2018 13:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org">info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Info-ingres] So we advertised for a new
DBA...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m curious.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We (aka Oxford University) advertised for a
new DBA. The position was offered with a salary of up to
£47,722pa, full time, 3 years fixed in the first instance. The
advert did mention we are mainly Ingres on Linux but with
other engines (Postgres, SQL Server) and platforms.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not one person with Ingres DBA experience
applied.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Why? Seriously, I was disappointed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any thoughts they’d like
to share on that?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Martin Bowes<o:p></o:p></p>
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