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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width" /><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/vnd.ui.insecure+html;charset=utf-8" /></head><body lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="overflow-wrap:break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em">Ingres has been the same since the beginning. Very poor on marketing.<br>
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Oracle , I've no real experience of but ...., On the other hand used to advertise in the papers and magazines read by CEOs . You may remember that old phrase from vthe 60s and 70s "you can never be fired for buying IBM" oracle tried that policy.<br>
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We once considered moving to Oracle. We did an exercise when we moved out of ABF. We were more concerned about the language development environment. Clearly OpenROAD was the ingres solution. But the Oracle partner we were forced to deal with could only demonstrate very crude tools. They didn't try a technical pitch it was more why wouldn't you buy Oracle it costs a fortune so it must be good. :-) <br>
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Sent from my Android phone with <a href="http://mail.com">mail.com</a> Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</div><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em">On 25/04/2018, 14:08 Adrian Williamson <adrian.williamson@rationalcommerce.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We can offer you a DBA service for less money than that, and we are interested in genetics…<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry couldn’t resist.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I suspect most Ingres DBA are comfortable where they are and seeing as Actian doesn’t seem to be:<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling the product into any green field developments <p></p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Selling to big software houses to use the product for their customers or their products<p></p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Giving it away free to Educational Institutions *<p></p></span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I conclude that Ingres DBAs are not being made any more.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I was asked recently would I advocate using OpenROAD/Ingres in a large scale online development i.e. requiring lots of resource – and I had to say no.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The market is awash with Java / C# / SQL Server / Oracle monkeys, which makes them easy to find and cheap to hire. (if you have the kind of development process control that can sort out the wheat from the chaff before you blow your budget on substandard nine-to-fivers)<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It needs an aggressive marking campaign coupled with a product strategy designed to generate long term licence growth.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">* I started on Window4GL and Ingres because Paisley University as it was known had it on a Beta release. It was lab technician who pointed it out too – not part of the syllabus – I got the course rules relaxed to allow its inclusion.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><p> </p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org <info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Bowes<br /><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2018 13:19<br /><b>To:</b> info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Info-ingres] So we advertised for a new DBA...?<p></p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">I’m curious.</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">We (aka Oxford University) advertised for a new DBA. The position was offered with a salary of up to £47,722pa, full time, 3 years fixed in the first instance. The advert did mention we are mainly Ingres on Linux but with other engines (Postgres, SQL Server) and platforms.</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Not one person with Ingres DBA experience applied.</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Why? Seriously, I was disappointed.</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any thoughts they’d like to share on that?</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Martin Bowes</p><p></p></div>_______________________________________________
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