<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have to confess that I got confused
over the exact list</font>
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<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I responded to an e-mail which came
from <b>openroad-developers</b> list getting a response that my response
was being held for moderator approval. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Coincidentally shortly after I
got an email from Steve - saying the lists were being shut down.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have no idea why I got the original
e-mail from <b>openroad-developers list</b> , I didn't look at the
list name and apparently I am not a list member , I assumed it was
from <b>openroad-users@googlegroups.com</b> </font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Paul's points are well made. The new
community forum is IMHO really awful , I tried a few times to get information
from it and gave in. I don't have time to casually browse forums for topics
that I might be able to contribute to (like the one below). The old fashioned
way via lists in email works really well.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I was under the , maybe false , impression
that the 'previous' community forum fed into openroad-users@googlegroups.com
,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Allan </font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Paul White"
<paul.white@shift7solutions.com.au></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><aw@rationalcommerce.com>,
"'Allan Biggs'" <allanb4@iname.com>, "'Steve Bates'"
<Steve.Bates@actian.com>, "'Chris Clark'" <Chris.Clark@actian.com></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">'Ingres
lists' <info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org>,
openroad-users@googlegroups.com, 'Pamela Fowler' <Pamela.Fowler@actian.com></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">12/10/2017 21:49</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[EXTERNAL] Re:
[Info-ingres] Ingres OpenROAD Mailing lists</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Hi all,</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Email list servers have an
important place in the community as do forums and chat rooms. I think openroad-developer@lists.ingres.com
and openroad-community@lists.com are double ups for similar lists so I
don’t object to shutting these list servers. </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">It is important for Mr /
Ms Surfer to be able to search the net, quickly find a valid link with
useful content with an invitation to follow a link to a open and active
community without having to be restricted by membership protocols.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I prefer the simplicity of
community mailing lists over the forums. </font><a href="mailto:info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org"><font size=2 color=#0082bf face="Calibri"><u>info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org</u></font></a><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">
and </font><a href="mailto:openroad-users@googlegroups.com"><font size=2 color=#0082bf face="Calibri"><u>openroad-users@googlegroups.com</u></font></a>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> provide web portals
for people who prefer to browse and search. I find forums a
bit cumbersome, and they are unavailable when I am 30km in the air. In
my opinion the new “community” forum website is a backwards step in performance,
functionality and presentation. Load times are significantly increased,
the default corporate colours are difficult to work with. The
content is still far behind the old pages. </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I hope we can continue to
support a two way feed from the forums to the info-ingres email list server.
Looking forward to hooking up Openroad-users one day.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Cheers</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Paul White</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">&<br>
Shift Seven Solutions<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org
[</font><a href="mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org"><font size=2 face="Tahoma">mailto:info-ingres-bounces@lists.planetingres.org</font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>aw@rationalcommerce.com<b><br>
Sent:</b> Friday, 13 October 2017 4:42 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Allan Biggs; Steve Bates; Chris Clark; Ingres lists<b><br>
Cc:</b> Pamela Fowler<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Info-ingres] Ingres OpenROAD Mailing lists</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">I agree with Allan.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">That community website has stopped my community
participation.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Adrian</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">----- Reply message -----<br>
From: "Allan Biggs" <allanb4@iname.com><br>
To: "Allan Biggs" <allanb4@iname.com>, "Steve Bates"
<Steve.Bates@actian.com>, "Chris Clark" <Chris.Clark@actian.com>,
"Ingres lists" <info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org><br>
Cc: "Pamela Fowler" <Pamela.Fowler@actian.com><br>
Subject: [Info-ingres] Ingres OpenROAD Mailing lists<br>
Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 18:42</font>
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